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		<title>By: Reblogging: Sharrows Suck &#124; Cycling Unbound</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-4336</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reblogging: Sharrows Suck &#124; Cycling Unbound]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sharrows Suck « Systemic Failure &#124; The Transportationist.org</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-4252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharrows Suck « Systemic Failure &#124; The Transportationist.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 00:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Engineer @ Systemic Failure minces words with: Sharrows Suck . I wish he would tell us how he really [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Engineer @ Systemic Failure minces words with: Sharrows Suck . I wish he would tell us how he really [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: CDOT fast to build new bikeways, but needs to rectify existing ones &#124; Grid Chicago</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CDOT fast to build new bikeways, but needs to rectify existing ones &#124; Grid Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Engineer&#8217;s&#8221; transportation satire blog, Systemic Failure, for some insight: Sharrows Suck and Sharrows Are Not A Bike [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Shaun Jacobsen</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shaun Jacobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously agree. I can&#039;t stand sharrows, I wrote a post about them a while ago too... I don&#039;t see how they&#039;re any better than nothing at all. All roads can be used by bikes, so they&#039;re really just there to remind drivers. But sometimes I think that they tell uneducated drivers that only roads that are marked are for cyclists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously agree. I can&#8217;t stand sharrows, I wrote a post about them a while ago too&#8230; I don&#8217;t see how they&#8217;re any better than nothing at all. All roads can be used by bikes, so they&#8217;re really just there to remind drivers. But sometimes I think that they tell uneducated drivers that only roads that are marked are for cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: billdsd</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2266</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 02:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sharrows that are placed to the side next to parked cars are worse than useless.  They encourage dangerous behavior.  Unfortunately, that&#039;s the type of sharrow used in the study.  The study set up sharrows to fail.

Sharrows need to be placed properly in order to be effective.  They need to encourage bicyclists to control the lane -- not try to share it side by side with cars as these did an which are dangerous.  They should be centered between the tire tracks of where the cars typically go in the lane.

The people who say that sharrows don&#039;t work are the same people who have never really put in the effort to properly study vehicular cycling, much less do the mileage using the techniques that you need to truly understand how it works.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharrows that are placed to the side next to parked cars are worse than useless.  They encourage dangerous behavior.  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s the type of sharrow used in the study.  The study set up sharrows to fail.</p>
<p>Sharrows need to be placed properly in order to be effective.  They need to encourage bicyclists to control the lane &#8212; not try to share it side by side with cars as these did an which are dangerous.  They should be centered between the tire tracks of where the cars typically go in the lane.</p>
<p>The people who say that sharrows don&#8217;t work are the same people who have never really put in the effort to properly study vehicular cycling, much less do the mileage using the techniques that you need to truly understand how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2255</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To answer a further implied question, removing the parking is not an option on many of these streets, because most of the parking is truck loading zones, handicapped parking, fire lanes, etc. etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer a further implied question, removing the parking is not an option on many of these streets, because most of the parking is truck loading zones, handicapped parking, fire lanes, etc. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2254</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The giant Columbus Circle kind are unmitigatedly awful.

The micro-mini &quot;one-foot-wide blue hump&quot; kind (which they have in the UK) are also pretty bad.

The small but not miniscule kind have their place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The giant Columbus Circle kind are unmitigatedly awful.</p>
<p>The micro-mini &#8220;one-foot-wide blue hump&#8221; kind (which they have in the UK) are also pretty bad.</p>
<p>The small but not miniscule kind have their place.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To clarify an issue raised by later comments, the streets with sharrows in Ithaca are *busy* but not *fast*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify an issue raised by later comments, the streets with sharrows in Ithaca are *busy* but not *fast*.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a few traffic circles (roundabouts) being used for their correct purpose here in Ithaca.  The correct purpose is when you have an intersection which already exists, and which you are stuck with because of where the buildings have been built or where the topography is -- where a whole bunch of roads (five or more) come in at a single point at completely random angles to one another.  This is also why you have so many roundabouts in the UK, with ancient roads.

There simply isn&#039;t another traffic control device which *works* for those intersections.  I&#039;ve tried to use ones equipped with lights, ones equipped with stop signs, ones equipped with yields, and it&#039;s a mess, confusion, danger, and crashes.  The roundabouts work reasonably well.

Important to note: those intersections were dangerous for pedestrians *before* the roundabouts were installed.  The roundabouts don&#039;t make them any *worse*.  The roundabout traffic is also very slow-moving.

If you&#039;re laying out a street grid, you wouldn&#039;t want to lay it out that way, of course.  But if you&#039;ve already got something like that going on, a roundabout makes sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a few traffic circles (roundabouts) being used for their correct purpose here in Ithaca.  The correct purpose is when you have an intersection which already exists, and which you are stuck with because of where the buildings have been built or where the topography is &#8212; where a whole bunch of roads (five or more) come in at a single point at completely random angles to one another.  This is also why you have so many roundabouts in the UK, with ancient roads.</p>
<p>There simply isn&#8217;t another traffic control device which *works* for those intersections.  I&#8217;ve tried to use ones equipped with lights, ones equipped with stop signs, ones equipped with yields, and it&#8217;s a mess, confusion, danger, and crashes.  The roundabouts work reasonably well.</p>
<p>Important to note: those intersections were dangerous for pedestrians *before* the roundabouts were installed.  The roundabouts don&#8217;t make them any *worse*.  The roundabout traffic is also very slow-moving.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re laying out a street grid, you wouldn&#8217;t want to lay it out that way, of course.  But if you&#8217;ve already got something like that going on, a roundabout makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com/2012/11/14/sharrows-suck/#comment-2251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathanael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 06:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sharrows in Ithaca are quite effective.  Note several things:
(1) The sharrows are in the middle of the lane, where they need to be
(2) The street width contains enough room for one traffic lane in each direction and one parking lane in each direction -- and that&#039;s all.
(3) Car speeds are slow.

The sharrows act as an instruction to drivers to *not* pass bikes on the left with no space at all, which is (sadly) what drivers tended to do without the sharrows.  That&#039;s what they&#039;re good for.

I would never ever use them on a fast-moving road, and if you don&#039;t put the arrow in the center of the lane, you&#039;ve missed the entire point of sharrows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sharrows in Ithaca are quite effective.  Note several things:<br />
(1) The sharrows are in the middle of the lane, where they need to be<br />
(2) The street width contains enough room for one traffic lane in each direction and one parking lane in each direction &#8212; and that&#8217;s all.<br />
(3) Car speeds are slow.</p>
<p>The sharrows act as an instruction to drivers to *not* pass bikes on the left with no space at all, which is (sadly) what drivers tended to do without the sharrows.  That&#8217;s what they&#8217;re good for.</p>
<p>I would never ever use them on a fast-moving road, and if you don&#8217;t put the arrow in the center of the lane, you&#8217;ve missed the entire point of sharrows.</p>
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